Budget Hearing Minutes

Planning & Economic Development & Audit & Control Committees

Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 9:10am, Room 331

Gerace Office Building, Mayville, NY

PF Members Present: Cornell, Kindberg, James, Croscut

Absent: Heenan

AC Members Present: Nazzaro, Stutzman, Gould, DeJoe

Others: Deas, Jankowski George, Crow, Smead, Daly, McCord, Constantino, Boria, Miller

Committee Chairman Cornell called the meeting to order at 9:15 a.m.

Mr. Deas: Welcome to the third day of the 2009 Legislature Budget Review sessions. Before we begin, I would just like to go over a few items of administrative work. Audit & Control, you have all your (inaudible). What you find in front of you for those who are new to the meeting, there are three reports. One is the County cell phone report. The second report is the County vehicle inventory report. You will notice the Sheriff's portion is blank for now. We'll update that and bring that in once we're able to review, but for security purpose, we just want to review that. Third is the attendee list for the budget hearings for those who are new to the Legislature, so you have an idea of who is in front of you. Other than that we're going to reviewing the Planning & Economic Development and it's 37 in your binders. I will turn it over to Kitty who has a few comments to make.

Ms. Crow: I just had a couple of remarks too. In the tentative budget book, there is a local share spread sheet which is a little different this year. Hopefully it is a little easier to read in terms of (inaudible) funds and transfers. I just wanted to point that out and if there is any questions when you are looking through (inaudible). We have broken out by different funds that make up the general fund A, E, D, as well as discovery of all the other enterprise funds which was not done in previous years so that is new. And this is part of the presentation for those of you that are interested. We have developed a standard format so that all departments can present a standard set of information on the picture overview of their department. Of course you have the detail to review with them as well but, this should give you a summary in the overview for the department.

Legislator Cornell: Bill, and the Planning folks, come on up.

Mr. Daly: The breakdown source of funding, you can see that Planning speaks for itself. Federal and State and we have GIS (inaudible) which is different. For our department, as we go through this GIS, it's broken out on and bed tax is 48% and there is a very minor amount under other and then local share of 39%. If you look at the mandated, that is by far the largest percentage of what we do. Seventy six point six five percent. Point seven required and then the optional discretion of what is 22.65%. Much of what we will do as we go through this, you see some come from bed tax, comes through these departments. Planning and also Economic Development. To go to the next, positions, Rich Constantino is number five on this. These were done on 6/20 and Rich was not employed at that time as the Watershed Coordinator. So if you look at positions, it says, full time for (inaudible) proposed five and we already have five with Rick on the payroll. So, if you flip that over, justification, you will see that that has already been taken care of. He came on the job on the 23^rd and that is why he hasn't on the first side. IF you go over to the next page, local share, you can see the comparisons. The expenses and much of this has to do with the items that flow through the department. You see revenue, it was the same. There is a major increase and that is due to funding of projects that flow through the department again. Then you see the local share and that is down point seven one percent. Budget summary, if you look back historically what has happened to the Department of Planning, Planning at one time was it, 12 or 10 people that were in Planning and during the budget crisis that occurred in 2004, they kept making major reductions in the department and right now the current staffing is a Senior Planner, Technician, and Administrative Assistant. Under GIS, we have Chris Kinn. We broke her out to GIS because we wanted to let everybody understand how much GIS costs. We have done the best we can with Kitty's help and Cindy, to break this out so you can really see. Because it was all lumped to the Planning budget and we were always answering questions and now we have it broken down very clearly. Of course, we now have the Watershed Division which Rick is part of.

Just some highlights completed. Governor's Office of Small Cities, Private Wastewater grant, so that is a revenue reduction of $150,000. Bed tax revenues increased from $240,000 in 80' to $565,000. That is an increase of $325,000. All costs we cut extremely close in the 09' budget . We tried to do everything we can to meet obviously any unanticipated increases. In the past year, it is kind of funny. The Planning Department works on a lot of different – because it is such a small staff, some of the pure planning pieces aren't covered. So they end up, because of some of the skill sets that we have, they get involved in being asked to do a lot of stuff. And certainly Mr. Cornell knows that Don McCord worked very hard on the bed tax distribution policy and I think that has proven to be a good model. I know that Maria was very instrumental in all that. I think that PED did a good job in getting that finally under control and coming up with a rational assistance. So that was a nice part of what occurred.

The Westfield/Ripley Opportunity Plan, there were 126 (inaudible) referrals. I don't know if you all get those but you are all privy to those because they come in from all the municipalities throughout the County and we look at them and see if it has any impact. We can make recommendations as to what they are doing. They can chose to follow these recommendations or not at the village or the town level. (Inaudible) of the snowmobile trail and finalized the housing plan and I believe that that was the one that came with the grant for $15,000. Other comments, CLMC program support and management. Because of that oversight through our department, there was $110,000 in savings. The Chautauqua Lake Watershed forum, it's kind of an interesting topic but the level of Chautauqua Lake if you are not familiar with that, that causes great distress. And we're not talking about huge increases and decreases, but it is really important for people who navigate the lake, especially in the summer when you have water skiers and recreational users. So there was a lot done coordinating this with the DEC, going back over 30 years of agreements of the lake levels and then working with the BPU because the BPU controls the Warner Dam which controls the lake level. The final Chautauqua Lake Waterfront Renewal project, Don what is the status of that?

Mr. McCord: Three of the municipalities actually adopted it, the other six, we're still in the process of working with them.

Mr. Daly: That is a major project. The Watershed Coordinator position was developed with the help of the Legislature. I can tell you, you can make comments about anything that you folks do but this is the first position of its kind in the State of New York. When we tell people that, they are really shocked and say that that was really a brilliant decision. So the Legislature is to be congratulated on the decision. The great news is that we have a great guy on the job. He came out of the private industry, Forecon, which is some of the best training that you can have. His degree was environmental science at Syracuse University. So, we're very, very fortunate.

One of the untold stories here is the work that goes into the capital project report. All that capital project and if you can see it, and all the detail, one of the truly unsung groups in the County is our Planning Board. They put volunteer hours in like you can't imagine. But, it is nice because it is a citizens committee that looks at how the County should spend its capital monies. There has been some rating systems that have been developed and Don particular works on it but it is a staff effort. There is a lot of things going on and some of this falls over into Economic Development. CCVB, working on bike trail development, that is kind of the tip of the iceberg. We're working on it every time, horse trails, bike trails, kayaking, waterways and of course snowmobile trails are a great thing that we're participating in . We got Ed here from Findley Lake and for economic development, we helped them and I know that I am not on Economic Development right now but we found $30,000 in a little known fund that we encumbered which got them a new trail groomer so now they actually have been able to increase the use of our snowmobile trails in the western part of the County. But this overlaps because the departments are somewhat similar. Anyhow, that is where we are. I don't know what the next protocol is.

Ms. Crow: I just want to say one thing administratively in regards to their budget. We did create two accounts, one for Planning and one for Development (inaudible) out the project for tourism. When we established the 2% we added a new account 8020WTRF for the Watershed and Administration position (inaudible) to replace the revenue. So when we were looking at the budget this year, we decided that it would be a good idea for the tourism dollars as well so you will see 8020TOUR and 6410TOUR and that is where we will budget for the (inaudible) as well as revenue for came coming in for the 3%.

County Executive Edwards: You can see what I brought in was the bike path that was put together and if you get a moment, you can take a look at it because I have been really impressed with the work that a public/private organization put together and you'll see what they have done is they have a master map, they have individual maps. Check on a specific ride, the goal will be in the next 12 months to have this digitized so you can get it right on the web and also have, with the help of GIS, have the (inaudible) points identified. So if you want to go on the Mayville 25 mile ride you will know where there are places you can stop and eat or drink, or if there is a bike shop or other places to go. You can do that right from the web so my congratulations to the group. A mixture of County employees, private citizens, and businesses that came together to make that a reality. I think that is a great selling point and a great opportunity for us to promote something we have that most places don't.

Mr. McCord: Eventually they will be rated by difficulty so that people that are new to the sport can take the easier ride in our County.

Legislator Cornell: Any questions?

Legislator Stutzman: When you created the bed tax money, but it in the budget, how conservatively on that and what would happen next year if we really (inaudible) the way the economy is going. Could we be in trouble from crashing our budget with regards to the bed tax? In other words, are these calculations conservative?

Ms. Crow: You mean for the over all revenue that we have tentative? We have $800,000 projection for next year.

Legislator Stutzman: Is that conservative or is that the trend that we have been following two years ago?

Ms. Crow: (Inaudible) with Darin on the projects and we can give you an update later.

Mr. Deas: Those are the trends and that is based upon the new facilities that have come into the County and based on past analysis of the previous years receipts.

Legislator Stutzman: Is there already concern before we pass the budget in looking at these things and being more conservative just because what we have seen in the last few days.

Mr. Deas: There might be one or two issues that need to be looked at.

Mr. Daly: Do we have a reserve, a (inaudible) reserve?

Mr. Deas: I believe that it is $65,000.

Legislator Cornell: So we do have a reserve if we overshoot.

Legislator Stutzman: (Inaudible).

Legislator Cornell: No, the reserve.

Mr. Deas: It will go to the reserves.

Legislator Stutzman: And then after that, to the general funds or we would cut mini grants, or what would happen then? I am not (inaudible).

Legislator Cornell: That is a good question. The question I guess is, $65,000. enough out of $850,000, enough of a buffer.

Legislator Stutzman: (Inaudible) yesterday was a problem (inaudible) a hundred and eleven thousand dollars short? That hurt.

Legislator Kindberg: A percentage of that is set aside for the small grants that we make that goes to the outside group that then makes referrals back to the committee so I am imagine we can just use a much smaller pot for that, but it shouldn't effect programming unless we – I mean, gosh, we would have to be catastrophic for us to get below the reserve and below the money set aside for the grants. I can't imagine that would happen.

Mr. Daly: You don't know how this will all shake out but because we are so close to such large number of people, literally, 65% of the population in North America today is dry. As far as tourism goes here, people often will not give up their vacations. They may shorten them, they may change them, or make a little different, but we may be somewhat uniquely situated because so many people drive in here for vacations. Now what it might do is it might be cutting a day short on stays. Remember the Light the Lakes thing that was going on over the weekend that was done intentionally to increase stays. So the tourist groups are working extremely hard to extend weekends. The sole purpose of why that was done on Sunday night, Labor Day, was because everybody leaves Sunday morning. That as so successful – like the little grocery store in Bemus Point sold out of water, milk, beer, eggs, everything. They wiped out some of these convenient stores, the hotels were all rented, so this very – I mean it is very proactive by our tourist groups to get that extra money. They filled all the hotels up that one night. So, who knows where it will take us but our people did not lie down. They are being very proactive. I talked with Dan Dalpra the other day and he already has two more ideas on how to extend weekends into a third night of hotel stays.

Legislator James: On page 279, there is an entry for $87,801 for other contractors. I see in 2007 and 2008 it shows zero and I was just wondering what those other contractors are?

Mr. Daly: Could you give us those numbers on the side?

Legislator Cornell: 4590.

Ms. Miller It is in GIS? Actually it was moved down to the proper account line. In previous years it had been up on software maintenance, 4371. And the $87,000 is for additional monies to repair data on the GIS.

County Executive Edwards: I think that I have it right, 4371, see the software maintenance and right below that it shows other contractors for the land. What was presented in the 2009 budget is other contracts are lumped together with 4590.

Legislator Nazzaro: The increase in software is (inaudible)?

County Executive Edwards: Yes. If I understand it correctly, it $62, 63, or $64,000 compared to the $87,000. We are investing more into the work of the GIS program.

Legislator Nazzaro (inaudible).

County Executive Edwards: He has been doing a great job in trying to more specifically identify precisely where the money is being applied. In years previously there was lump sum applications or it was a number of activities on one line. You can see that a number of our lines have grown a little bit trying to be more specific particularly in the GIS area so you can get a better handle on precisely how much the GIS program costs us, where are those expenses going so we can really get a better idea of where you invest further dollars. Keep the program going and in many cases trying to enhance the program. So we have a better idea of how that all shakes out dollars and cents.

Legislator Nazzaro: Keep in mind that as you look at the adopted we're constantly making amendments almost every month in the budget so (inaudible).

Legislator Gould: Did we get a direct answer on the other contractors? It is pretty hard to hear over here. (Inaudible) GIS, landfill, or who is it going to be. It's a tough time hearing the conversation over here.

Mr. McCord: Apologies for that. As Cindy pointed out to us, last year the line was up higher under software maintenance. If you see in previous year's budget, you'll see a $30,000 line item in another line. They were combining and put down into the other contractors which is truly the correct line that it should have been on in the past.

County Executive Edwards: Do you want a list of the folks that (over talk).

Mr. McCord: Last year the contract was with (inaudible) for the GIS. Next year, I imagine there will be an RFP process to determine who in fact the contractors are –

County Executive Edwards: Legislator Gould has been very consistent in wanting to know who it is that we're giving our money too so if we can get a list of who we contract with.

(Cross talk)

Mr. McCord: We can give you a list but it was just one contractor.

Ms. Crow: I will try and answer that question. In general we have always told the departments not to put in no specific vendor names so there is not any bias by who is providing the service. We've only asked for the description of service, so I apologize that you have to keep asking. The departments have it but they were given direction not to provide the vendor name specifically the same way we don't include employee names in the details. But, they do have the background and provide it to you. I know that when we developed our budget we specifically went over other contractors' costs formula.

Legislator Gould: I believe that they brought it to us last year.

Ms. Crow: Yes. It's always been (inaudible). I just wanted to explain that a little better.

(Cross talk)

Mr. Daly: Just to clarify a little bit more. In the past we used one group for the software in GIS, which was called (inaudible) and this Bergman Associates who has done other work in the County. We've been moving a lot towards them so this is kind of a work in progress because one of the big issues that we had was, people were going out and getting GIS software in departments and you want it all tied (inaudible) back, because it is a data base is all it is. So this Bergman, in fact, they may end up giving a lot of that money, but, we'll get that for you. But, that is who it is. They have been working with various departments and the quality is very, very good. We don't even know how much E&E will get this coming year because they are still developing what we need to have done. But we know to get this system up and functioning – I mean, the original request is well over $100,000 and it has been cut down substantially just to keep us even without even really advancing GIS.

Legislator Gould: I just disagree with other contractors, and other supplies. I am not sure that other is the right word. That is why I keep asking.

Ms. Crow: The description is meant as outside contractors. It's not something we have to contract out for and this is the description of (inaudible).

Legislator Gould: Maybe outside contractors were (inaudible).

Mr. Daly: I am sure everybody here can appreciate the enormous issues that you have in a big system like GIS. All of these data bases and it's the software, it's (inaudible).

Legislator Cornell: Is there any other questions?

Legislator Kindberg: I just want to go back to the bed tax issue for a minute. The resolution that was passed, I wasn't sure the exact percentage but because everything is percentage based now instead of dollars and (inaudible) where it use to be certain people were receiving, certain dollar amount and that no longer happens to each of the entities that receive bed tax money. It's percentage now. So, Scott, in answer to your question now, I think if we were to look at programming 55% goes to CCVB and 15% to the County Parks, so there are departments who rely on that could be significantly impacted and then I guess the committee would have to decide if they want to change the percentages. Right now we have 20% going to the development of attraction and events. It would seem that that would be the easiest place to distribute money if we have to in order to keep a shortfall in the bed tax from effecting budgeting. Those people who are relying on.

Legislator Cornell: The 20% is 20% of the amount budgeted as opposed to 20% (inaudible).

Legislator Stutzman: In worse case scenario, those (inaudible)

Legislator Kindberg: Obviously, everybody would be getting less in terms of percentage of it but would that severely affect the departments who are relying on that for operating? We could look at the 20% that goes to the (inaudible).

Legislator Stutzman: I am sure that you all thought about this (inaudible).

Legislator Cornell: Are there any other questions? Do we want to talk briefly about –

Mr. Pellitter from Cornell Cooperative Extension – I just want to thank the Legislature, the department heads, and to thank the County Executive in keeping us at the level of funding and know that it is difficult when you don't want to keep raising taxes but you also want to keep those public services and agencies in place for the people that live in this County. I do want to thank you. Usually you hear complaints but you may not ever hear congratulations and things like that. So, I am here to do that today. Thank you very much on behalf of Cornell Cooperative Extension.

Legislator Cornell: I think that we have a couple of items here. One would involve an executive session for the Finance Director to discuss a specific -

Mr. Schulz: To discuss financials of a tax degree.

Legislator Cornell: And the other thing that I think we want to talk about is, the process for the 2% and the Water Quality Task Force and have a discussion about that. Maybe we should do that first before everybody has to leave for executive session.

Legislator Croscut: Chuck, we still need to discuss the economic development part, right?

Legislator Cornell: Well, this is under Planning so lets talk about that. I guess the question is, we have the new 2%, we established the process for review. What does our current budget do in terms of the 2%?

Mr. McCord: The current budget has your line item of estimated $550,000 which is included in the Planning Department budget. That is the bed tax line and right now it is placed in an account with no designation for no particular program because the 2% process got started a little bit later in the year and couldn’t match up to the budget schedule.

Legislator Cornell: But, would we be able to have this group convene, I assume, and make those decisions?

County Executive Edwards: Absolutely. It was designed that way as a lump sum to account for the money. But certainly the resolution is pretty clear that the Task Force comes together and makes a determination upon receipt of applications and where the money is to go. I presume the procedure in process is something to amendment as the group goes forward and works closely with the Legislature to figure out how to distribute the funds. But, the money is there and it's over a half a million dollars for distribution. So right now it is a very fluid – how about that, a very fluid situation and really is subject to the directives from the Legislature and the recommendations for the Task Force that will be appointed.

Ms. Crow: We put in the 8020 (inaudible) for the 2% revenue and the point four expend which was just put in the funding for the Watershed Administrator and then the balance was budgeted as a point four. It wouldn't require a resolution to do any transfers of accounts (inaudible).

Legislator Croscut: We have a meeting next week, right? Were you going to discuss the 50% further there and (inaudible) the rest of the money or were we going to do that today?

Legislator Cornell: Whatever you want to do.

Legislator Croscut: Because, if you want my thought on the CLMC money, I think that has to be brought in with the committee process. Unless you are figuring on generating some new funding, I think that we need to stick with this Task Force that we tentatively set up. It is my understanding that they would proceed and that CLMC request because they are no different than the rest of other agencies that would go into that fund. To me, it will keep the politics out of it. You have some very qualified people on that Water Quality Task Force and I anticipate that they will do it again. They are doing a great job on giving up that money. CLMC at that point, will have to fall back on some of their revenues they have left over in their last year's budget. But, I think that this is going to require legislation on our committee's part before this process – that is my feeling. If you want to do something today, that is fine.

Legislator Cornell: I just wanted to have a discussion about it. It is not a bad idea to further go into depth on it next week on Tuesday.

Ed Mulkern, Findley Lake Watershed Foundation. The article in the Jamestown paper on the 3^rd, we're a little confused on how the money is going to be divvied up and appropriated out. The article in the paper suggested that all the rest of the bed tax money, 2% of the bed tax money and Mr. Constantine's salary was (inaudible) CLMC and that they were going to divvy the money out. I think they were under the impression that they were going to divvy the money out to different organizations in the County. It was my understanding that the resolution was that that going to happen through the Water Quality Task Force.

Legislator Cornell: I think that Mr. Croscut's recommendation is a good one. I think on Tuesday when we have our regular Planning & Economic Development Committee meeting, we'll dive into that topic. Today's budget hearing might not be the best place to get into depth on that. So, Tuesday at 12:30 p.m., right here we are going to have a Planning & Economic Development Committee meeting and we can to a little more in depth.

Mr. Mulkern: It would be fair for me to go back to the people in Findley Lake though that that article was incorrect and that is not how money is going to move from the bed tax pool to the different organizations. It is not going to go through – CLMC is not going to receive the balance and then divvy it up. It is going to come through Water Quality Task Force.

Legislator Cornel: I don't have the resolution in front of me, but the way I recall it is, we did designate a certain organization to get certain amount. I think that Findley Lake was included in that. So all that would remain the same. The Watershed Coordinator was in there and then we established the process to have a review of all the different projects. Like Mr. Croscut discussed so that is what we have on the books. We'll get into a little more depth discussion on Tuesday on that.

(Cross talk)

County Executive Edwards: The real issue (inaudible) what is in the post tentative budget.

Legislator Cornell: Right.

Bill Boria – Environmental Health – I just want everybody to know that I am representing the Water Quality Task Force and was asked to come here by our Chairman Dave Wilson.

Legislator Cornell: So, is there a motion to go into executive session for a financial condition of a tax payer.

Legislator Kindberg: So moved.

Legislator James: Second.

Budget review recessed to go into executive session.

Legislator Cornell: Calling the Planning & Economic Development and Audit & Control Committees back into session. Next up on our schedule or the last item today is Economic Development.

Mr. Daly: If you look through, you can see the funding of revenue sources, 38.4% is bed tax and 65% is local. (Inaudible) mandated require optional and this is the same (inaudible) mandated with the optional, 34.6 and 65.4. It’s the positions in 2008 we had four as of 6/20 there are three but we are proposing four in 2009. If you flip the page, Deputy Director for Economic Development, we're working Human Resources and this is due to retirement. We are working with Human Resources to redraft the job description to make sure – it was an old, old, job description. It had a lot of things that we're even part of the job. It's just crazy how that stuff happens. So, we're trying to work with John Schwanekamp to change that over. If you look at the local share, you can see the increases. Most of these would be from allocations that are passed through that we're going to be paying out to various organizations. We felt that we had a 2% decrease but some of the bed tax reserves were switched away from the local share on the bottom line up to the top line and we end up with a 1.7. Between the two departments, there is a 1% increase. Planning was down .7 if you remember that. Contractual costs remain the same. There is additional $245,000 of revenue from bed tax. It shows a 2% but that is incorrect. It's 1.7% increase because of the way that $45,000 was moved.

Comments, all of the stuff that we're involved with. Virtually every facet of life in the County between the Department of Development and the IDA we're involved in it. Of course, we have the advantage in this County of having outside fund, the Chautauqua Revolving Loan Fund. The way these were drafted years ago is very unique but the people who work for Economic Development, when they are working on IDA projects, they just (inaudible) things like IDA staff and then it works the other way. It’s a very unique situation and it has worked great since it was designed. So that gives us really the IDA staff and the Economic Development staff working in a coordination on everything we do really.

The list of stuff that we do, it would be about five pages and maybe some day we might want to do that. Just come up and go through in front of P&E and show all the things that we do and can go into executive session if you want when we are talking about certain items. Mr. Cornell is on the IDA Board because of this position being in charge of this committee and he sees the stuff in detail that we do on a regular basis. Very indebt.

On the IDA side, we are very blessed. We have a great loan review committee. It's five local bankers and two IDA Board members. The IDA Board, another nine people including Mr. Cornell, an appointee from the County Legislature, which is Dennis Rak who is very well known grape farmer and also involved in bio-mass production in the County. He is growing willow, it's very impressive. Then we have some great leaders on that IDA Board from all over the County. It is kind of funny, when I talk about economic development, I have to take my hat off all the time because people get it confused. The other day in the paper, Chris Kin from Planning talked about an intern that the IDA paid for and let the Planning Department Tyler Mekus and it says, Chris Kin, a member of the Chautauqua County IDA staff. Well, she is not. She is a professional planner who is in the Department of Planning but even in the public we (inaudible) around and reporters and people that deal with us on a daily basis, don't know which hat we're wearing. But we try and give credit where credit it due.

Legislator Cornell: Mark, do you have anything to add? Are there any questions?

Legislator Croscut: Do you want my amendment now?

Legislator Cornell: You have an amendment?

Legislator Croscut: Yes sir. I am the Chairman of the Chautauqua County Soil & Water Board and in talking with Dave Wilson, New York State is offering $5,000.00 additional funding for any County Soil & Water Board District that gets a budget increase. So I said, "David, if we got one dollar extra from the County in this year's budget, we would get an additional $5,000? He told me yes." So, I am proposing that we change the County Soil & Water Board's budget which is A.6420.4592.AGRI, that we increase that by one dollar. You may laugh but if it works, we can't afford not to do it. So, I would like to do it in this Committee which will bring in an additional $5,000 of State funding and make that a motion. Then tomorrow Mr. Gould will do the same thing in Audit & Control.

Mr. Daly: Line 4592.AGRI., $92,613.

County Executive Edwards: Page 252, one third of the way down.

Legislator Cornell: A motion has been made to increase the Soil & Water by a $1.00. If there a second?

Legislator James: Second.

Legislator Cornell: Any discussion? All those in favor?

UNAIMOUSLY CARRIED

Legislator Nazzaro: Looking at that account, 4592, when you said that you had to add a dollar more, I just want to (inaudible) are you saying more than – the amended budget is $264,488. Are you amending – when we budgeted the 2009 tentative, it looks like on the wrong line it could be $264,488. So you are saying it has to be $264,489?

Legislator Gould: But that is not the whole budget. There are other people in there.

Mr. Daly: If you go right below it, you will see conservation and that is the one that he is talking about. The $92,613.

Ms. Crow: Page 252, 4592.AGRI.

County Executive Edwards: But Chuck is right. It shows on the detail, the total budget line of $254,488 and that is a good question because if we are just adding a dollar to that line, is that specific enough to add a dollar to the allocation for Chautauqua Soil & Water Board? If that is the case, is that enough since the prior years budget had $10,000 more to it. So, are we just adding one dollar to the monies allocated to this year enough, or does it have to be $10,001?

Ms. Crow: Well, we have an agreement of service with them under this account so the agreement of service would have to be amended for this additional one dollar.

Legislator Nazzaro: And what is the amount of the agreement again?

Legislator Gould: Around ninety.

Ms. Miller: $92,613.

Legislator Nazzaro: So $92,613 is what we had and we would have an amended budget of $92,614.

Legislator Cornell: Can I make a suggestion. Legislator Gould, maybe tomorrow we can have an amendment written out for Audit & Control.

Ms. Crow: Technically we adopt a budget at the account class level so its going to be 6420.4 and when we actually do this accounting adjustment in the system, for your purposes, you can write it out in the language that is it for the Soil & Water Board to increase their agreement of service by one dollar. But technically the account data would increase appropriations which would be in the point one (inaudible).

(Cross talk)

Legislator Cornell: It's a good question. I think that we do have to make sure. We have passed an amendment to increase that by a dollar and maybe what we can do by tomorrows Audit & Control, make sure that we have that right. Any other questions of Mr. Daly or any aspect of the Economic Development budget? Chuck, does your committee have any questions?

Legislator Nazzaro: Questions from the Audit & Control?

Legislator Cornell: Are there any accounts that are other? Any other questions? If not, thank you. If there is nothing else to come before the committee, that is all that we have scheduled.

Any other questions or issues to come before the committee on the budget? Hearing none, motion to adjourn is in order.

Legislator Croscut: So moved.

Legislator James: Second.

UNANIMOUSLY CARRIED

Budget review meeting adjourned.

Respectfully transcribed,

Lori J. Foster, Deputy Clerk